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 #277402  av FS-Styling.no
 
Hei!

Hvor stor wastegate må man ha hvis man ser for seg 7-800 RWHP?

40, 44, 50 eller 60 mm?

Fredrik
Sist redigert av FS-Styling.no den 16 jan 2008 22:02, redigert 2 ganger totalt.

 #277406  av Mr2 Mk2
 
http://www.ts-ogn.no/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8153

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 #277407  av FS-Styling.no
 
Ja, det er ikke første gangen jeg legger ut en ny tråd med knall gode overtekster....

Men endra det nå... begynner og dra på gammel dagan og glemmer slikt... :lol:

 #277450  av TTM
 
50mm skal holde til rundt 1000hk. Ikke 1000rwhp, men det er vell ikke så mye som 2-300hk i drivverkstap da tror jeg. :wink:
 #277468  av FS-Styling.no
 
Ser flere store leverandører av turbo kit bruker Tial 44 mm... eksempelvis på dette kittet så bruker de det:

http://www.boostlogic.com/xcart/product ... t=9&page=1

Og her er det snakk om en Turbo choice of GT47 80 or 88...

 #277470  av TTM
 
Da bør vell den holde til en god del hk. Dem leverer sikkert ikke med en wg som er for liten.

Jeg har foresten en 50mm wg til salgs. Send en pm om du er interessert. :wink:
 #277577  av FS-Styling.no
 
Har jo en 40 mm HKS WG nå, men hvor my hk kan den takle?

Fredrik

 #277589  av Andreazz
 
Jo trangere wastegate, jo flere hester får du jo :wink: Kanskje ikke så mye kontroll over de da men..

Hei

 #277594  av FS-Styling.no
 
Det som er trikset ja.... nei ønsker litt kontroll ja...

 #278020  av SupraN/A
 
Syns dette var en bra forklaring med tanke på WG størrelse.

I have found a common misconception among sizing of wastgate for horsepower goals. Here are my thoughts:

The wastegate sizing is largely dependent upon the boost pressure being regulated, and the exhaust energy from the engine the wastegate is being used upon. The way in which a wastegate works is to regulate the amount of exhaust energy, or exhaust gas that travels into the turbine housing of the turbocharger. At lower boost levels, more exhaust gas is being bypassed to sustain the lower pressure. The reason is that to keep the exhaust flow that goes into the turbine housing to a lower pressure, more exhaust energy is to be bleed from the exhaust manifold. So at lower boost pressures, the size of the wastegate becomes critical in order to regulate the amount of exhaust energy that travels into the turbine housing. The physical size of the wastegate should be larger, or have a larger diaphram and valve to bleed off the most amount of pressure. As higher and higher boost pressure are enabled, less exhaust energy is to be bleed from the system. The wastegate valve is opened less and less, so the physical size of the wastegate (i.e wastegate valve size; ex. 35mm is 35mm valve, etc) being used is to be smaller and smaller.

Besides the amount of boost pressure being regulated, the compression and displacement play a huge role in the amount of exhaust energy available in the exhaust manifold. The greater the displacement and compression, the larger the wastegate size should be used. Its a very simple relationship between boost pressure, displacement and compression ratio of the engine the wastegate is being used upon. A side note, the larger wastegate typically holds boost pressure more stable than the smaller wastegate size. Most, if not all cases of unstable boost is created from poor wastegate placement. If wastegate placement is pre-dictated from the manufactuer, and unstable boost is a problem a larger wastegate should be employed. The Tial 35/38mm wastegate is sufficient for 500-600whp level, which is contradictory to what most turbo Honda's use at higher boost levels.